There have been many good, enriching conversations happening lately. Our Sunday night small group has been discussing Roman Catholicism and sadly we have focused on our differences rather than highlighting what makes us fellow disciples. Jeremy posted about this on his blog. Two steps forward, one step back, but progress is being made.
The other day I was looking at some blogs and I came across a blog I didn’t know existed. The blog belongs to someone from my church but I am afraid that it is also my anonymous friend (I hope I’m wrong) who challenged me about my previous post about James Dobson’s response to the NAE’s emphasis on environmental protection and its call for evangelicals to care for the gift of creation. I wanted to never post on here again. My desire for unity is so strong that I have struggled with whether or not to continue posting on this blog but I will for now because there is no other forum available that allows me to express myself in this particular way. By no means do I consider myself a prophet but is there no place for people who are willing to challenge leadership. Do people who challenge leadership get immediately lumped in with the political left and the elitist intellectuals? I just want people to take a close look at the teachings of Jesus and then interpret the teachings of current leaders in light of the gospel. Not in light of what they say he says, but what he really said and what he did. Did Jesus call us to a life of sin management or a life of freedom through kingdom life? Did he call us to expose the sin of the world and condemn it or to save the world from oppression through love?
I had lunch on Monday with a guy that works for Lower Lights. It was a great conversation. We talked about our decision to stay a part of the Church of the Nazarene, and how difficult that decision was to make. He talked about how some of the big churches come down to the inner city and bus people out to their suburban churches. He said that the people being shipped out know that they serve as the poster children for the suburban churches “outreach ministries” and they are ok with that because they take everything they can from the churches. The churches know that the inner city people are taking everything that they can get but they need people to put up front in order to say they are doing something noble for the least of these. Sadly he told me that the churches are attempting to minister to prostitutes by creating prostitutes, all in the name of Jesus.
I am concerned about family and friends who have committed themselves to the kingdom. Many of them are tired, betrayed, bedraggled and generally in a mess all in the name of ministry. I am concerned about them and despite my commitment to the Church, I see valid reasons to walk away and I would never question any of these brothers or sisters if they did decide to simply walk away. It is strange that the message of Christ is not received well by those who call themselves Christian. There is hope. Many are hearing and following the words of Christ. Stay strong and continue to proclaim the truth because it is the truth that will set you free.
pain and hope, the journey continues
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Thank you, David, for continuing to post the truth on this blog site.
Post on my brother. Post on. Be more vulnerable. More real. More honest. More vocal.
The lower lights conversation: wow. So true. That last sentence is a killer. So true.
Also, I think you can set this thing up so it won't allow anonymous comments... if you so desire. I thought I should let you know I put a comment the NAE post to your anonymous commenter. It was definitely not motivated by peace so feel free to delete it if you are so moved. :-)
speak friend speak.
there is much that you can teach us.
there is much that we need to learn.
molly and i have recently been struggling with disclusure on our public live journal as well. it was once a private journal, viewed only by a few intimate friends. we have allowed it to be hijacked. willingly, we have transformed ¨her¨ to ¨us¨, and married ¨us¨ with ¨montaƱa de luz¨. we used to try and represent something radical and authentic. now we represent a non-profit organization. an orphanage. a home for children with hiv/aids. a ¨ministry¨. despite all of this, i feel pretty strongly that our continued radical and authentic passions and perspectives must be the determining factor, NOT the other way ´round. in other words, if WE are the challenge, rather than just presenting a challenge, the discomfort that some people might feel from reading our journal has much more to do with how they are feeling about themselves than about what we might have just written. (or something like that)
peace
Dave ,
I guess I posted anonymously because I thought you wouldn't be open to me if you knew I went to the same church as you. Not sure if the visceral reaction from others to the anonymous nature of my post was necessary. Anonymous posts, letters, etc. are surely not the best way to communicate; I've had some anonymous drive-by people on my blog and it freaks me out sometimes so I apologize for that.
I just wanted to clear up the reason for my reaction. I perceived that you were coming after Chuck Colson. prison ministries are near and dear to my heart and I highly respect this man's fruit, and I hope to carry out Matthew 25 in a worthy manner, and I consider him a good model for success. I believe one man cannot be entirely viewed simply because he opposes certain environmental initiatives(I realize now that's not really what you were getting at- but that's how I initially perceived it). That's all I was saying, I was not intending to be insulting at all. I intended for my comments to be made with respect. I don't know much about Jim Dobson these days other than he seems a bit senile now, so my motivation to post wasn't really about him. I hope no personal rifts have opened up as a result of this, and I hope this clears up some confusion about the nature of my post. Grace and peace
Thanks for the post Ben. This is a difficult medium by which to communicate, a lot get lost in translation from what my heart wants to say and what ends up on the screen. I would love to get together sometime and talk I'm guessing that we are a lot more like minded on these issues than the previous discussion showed.
I have been trying to write what Doug wrote for a couple of months now but i couldn't get my mind to spit it out. Well said brother, that is my heart.
Thanks you all for the encourgement.
grace and peace
I so appreciate that my little brother speaks words of hope into my "bedraggled" and "generally in a mess" life. It should be reciprocated much more often. I think it is time to put away "ministry" and just live in the presence of the one who calls us beloved. I'm ready to rest there no matter my job. I'm ready for Him to redeem my vocation, especially if I remain in the pastorate. Thank you brother.
Peace...
I'd love to sit down and chat with you. Is your email address in the church directory?
I don't know if my email is in the directory so here it is,
ballengers@gmail.com
Hey Ben, do you still have a blog? Hope to talk to you soon.
Peace,
Jeremy
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